Sorry….

…for not answering your email over the last two weeks. I have been busy collecting new experiences. Maybe I’ll talk about them at some point but more importantly I wanted to let you know about something I found a couple of days ago: the new Scientology.org website.

Without much noise, actually with no noise at all, the Church launched a new website at Scientology.org. It’s great and has a lot of answers to Scientology and Dianetics and a big biographical section on David Miscavige.

So while you are watching Scientology events on the new website (or spout curse words because some of your lies have once more been disproven), I’ll dive into may emails and see what I can come up with to answer your questions. The friendly ones.

See ya,

– L

68 Comments

  1. whopps..

    You can contact me at louannenet at gmail dot com.

    – L

  2. Louane, what email can I contact you through?

    The yahoo.com address is not functioning.

    Much love
    Yael

  3. What email can I contact you through?

    The yahoo.com address is not functioning.

    Much love
    Yael

  4. Is this another example of Pat failing to follow through on conversations or debates? I thought scientologists prided themselves on their ability to confront and shatter suppression?

  5. I like the new website is simple and open, the video channel is also great!

  6. I’m going to give Pat the benefit of the doubt, although, if history holds true, we won’t see her again for quite some time.

    Pat, as Anon indicated recently, I would be very interesting in seeing what it is that he wrote that you interpreted to be “force”?

    THe closest thing that I can see, that he wrote, is “A real church would try to encourage both to resolve their conflict and encourage communication instead of disconnection”

    How did you get force out of that? Or do you consider “encourage” to be the same as “force”? And. lest you get upset and think that I’m picking on you, I’m just asking you to clarify what it is that you, yourself, said in this venue.

    Moving on.

    What are you referring to as “an example”?

  7. “What real church would force someone to communicate to another against their will? Is that what you think we should do with our parishioners? You advocate force?

    Pat”

    No, as i clearly wrote real churches encourage their members to keep contact with family members, even and especially when there are conflicts between them. NO real church tells its members or even only encourages them to disconnect from family members, when there are conflicts.
    Encouraging someone to communicate with their family is not the same as “forcing” him.
    Do you understand this?

  8. Shall we spend the time to reply to you, pat? Or will you be leaving after a post or two again? Just trying to see if it’s worth the time.

  9. Comment by Bigdaddy on April 22, 2010 11:39 am

    It’s an example, BD.

    Pat

  10. Comment by truth on April 22, 2010 5:33 pm

    What false claim did “Scientology” make?

    Pat

  11. Comment by Anon on April 22, 2010 12:41 pm

    What real church would force someone to communicate to another against their will? Is that what you think we should do with our parishioners? You advocate force?

    Pat

  12. Lou, you’re still missing the point.
    Scientology made a false claim and Mike is proving it.

  13. Let’s assume for a moment that Mike Rinder really somehow upset his son and that this upset is the reason why his son doesn’t want to talk to him.
    A real church would try to encourage both to resolve their conflict and encourage communication instead of disconnection, while Scientology promotes disconnection. That’s why Scientology sucks.

  14. How do you know so much about their personal history and personal feelings? And if you’re referring only to mike’s criticism of scientology, is it not possible that some people may be defined by more than just their religion, resulting in a situation that has more dimensions than you’re considering?

  15. Now, that’s been my point all along. Russia never wanted Scientology in their borders, they were forced by law. But legal compliance does not always equal enthusiasm, and they’re looking for ways to, in their point of view, legally protect their people and government.

  16. I have an idea:
    Upload all Scientology literature on the internet for everyone to download for free.
    How about this?

  17. Russia just banned all Scientology literature.
    http://www.theotherrussia.org/2010/04/21/russia-bans-scientology-writings-on-basis-of-extremism/

    What now?

  18. I am referring to this PAB “On Human Behaviour”
    http://www.mediafire.com/?t1gmmzjonuw

  19. Do you think it was a wise measure of the kings in olden times to decapitate the people, who continually brought them bad news?
    Were those people, who brought them bad news the aberrated ones or the kings, who couldn’t handle reality and only wanted to hear good news?

  20. “Scientology really doesn’t care who they misplace. Even though they are creating hate by doing what they did.”

    sadly true. Hate and joblessness. And after such pretty speaches about how the org was going to improve the area, too.

  21. “that son is grown up and doesn’t want to talk to his father who abandoned him for several years and now suddenly shows up. Personally I would not want to talk to an asshole like that. Shows up with a TV cam and another jerk and tries to “reconnect”? Nope, man, this was a PR stunt. He is abusing his son to attack the son’s chosen religion. How deep can you sink.”

    do you have personal knowledge of ben’s emotional state and thoughts?

  22. On the ideal org. The paritioners have no stake in what happens with their money as long as Scientology still buys a building. Those donations are not refundable.

    Scientology really doesn’t care who they misplace. Even though they are creating hate by doing what they did.

  23. I guess you missed the point there Lou.
    Mike is proving that he DOES want to talk with his son. It’s Scientology that has claimed Mike wanted nothing to do with his son. It’s the church that wont even let staff out to talk with their own family members because they’ve been told all kinds of lies and faulse info about their family members.

    So as you may now see, Mike has done his part to prove Scientology really does enforce disconnection as they have done for many years now. And now it’s on record.

    • truth, if I punch you on the nose, hard, and then turn around and pretend that I want a friendly conversation with you – how would you feel? Upset? Some people might be unwilling to talk in a similar situation and I understand the Mike’s son is one of them.

      – L

  24. Sure they have a right to sell their building, but couldn’t they have considered that BEFORE they bought it two years ago and evicted most of the tenants? That really impacted a lot of lives, as their businesses were shut down and they were forced to move.

  25. Loanne, again, thanks for addressing my question!

    About the Portland Ideal Org, you said, ” ‘The COS’ won’t do anything, but the group of people who bought the building is very likely use the funds to buy one that fits the requirements.” I think you are missing something here. While parisioners may have ponied up the money for the building, they don’t own it. My understanding is the title went to the Church.

    That’s why I believe there is reason to be concerned. But let’s just watch what happens and then we’ll know.

  26. So why is it that Scientology keeps claiming they don’t enforce disconnection when we have family members that want to talk to their children?…

    That’s an example of Scientology claiming Mike wants nothing to do with his son yet it’s really Scientology not allowing his son to speak with him. Now it’s on record and I can’t wait to see the BBC peice that’s coming out soon.

    Funny how the members are never brought out to say it themselves either.

    • truth,

      that son is grown up and doesn’t want to talk to his father who abandoned him for several years and now suddenly shows up. Personally I would not want to talk to an asshole like that. Shows up with a TV cam and another jerk and tries to “reconnect”? Nope, man, this was a PR stunt. He is abusing his son to attack the son’s chosen religion. How deep can you sink.

      – L

  27. You know what, that really has become a fun game, kind of like googlewhacking back in the day!

    I looked at a whole bunch of them, and most of them really are empty. I mean, you really can see it with your own eyes. And you can see it over and over again at each of the sites, if you so desire. In many of them, you can even go to the street view and look in the windows! Boy, there was one that fooled me though. I don’t remember which one, but I saw an orgie with two parking lots. One was nearly empty, but the other was packed full! But street view came through again!! The empty lot was for the org… the full was a paid parking lot, with a booth and everything! OMG, hillarious.

    But the main centers in LA and Clearwater are fairly busy, at least. Not full, but a few dozen cars there. But that cuts both ways, don’t it?? Because while it does show that some people are there, it also highlights the fact that other people AREN’T at the other locations, time and time again.

    They’re empty. People just aren’t there. And no worries about “well, I saw it and it was full of moths” or “I saw it and it was so full that they were stacked like cordwood”- no, we can all see the same thing at the same time, and personal agendas can’t change it.

  28. Well, now, let’s take a moment and use the technologies available to us!

    Check out Google Earth, download it, install it, it’s worth the time. Now, if you search for scientology locations, one at a time, you notice a pattern start to emerge.

    Ample parking available.

    Every single one, captured in that snapshot in time, has plenty of empty parking spaces. Even the larger centers, in LA and Florida, aren’t full. Check out each ideal org- almost empty, every one. Check out random orgs. Most are empty. Granted, I didn’t check every single one, but every single one that I randomly selected is mostly empty. Some had no one parked at all, and the street view showed an empty inside.

    So, maybe that doesn’t mean anything, maybe it’s just a coincidence that EVERY time the satellite took a picture, it happened to be a slow moment, in between all the “booming” and all the “expansion”. Maybe, sure. But so many orgs being nearly empty at a random time, it sure seems to be indicative of a problem, especially since all the photos are taken during the day.

    LIke I said, that’s not any sort of proof, but one would wonder why so many orgs and centers, even the celebrity centers and ideal orgs, are so empty when randomly viewed. Based on personal observation, that sure seems to be an accurate assessment.

  29. I’d also like to know why no Ideal Orgs are booming. Why would that be?

  30. Oh, wow, anon. That was really a clever response! Nice one.

  31. “Cool! I always wanted to live a quiet unobstructed, non-discriminated life, safe from fanatics who – aside from spreading obvious lies – blow up the subject “Scientology” to such proportions that one might think there is a Scientologist behind every bush. ”

    Are you talking about David Miscavige?

  32. Thank you, louanne; I believe that to be a sincere compliment, and thank you for it.

  33. “Comment by Bigdaddy on April 9, 2010 5:34 pm
    In the mean time, it’s great to have you back. You’re a great example of a scientologist. (and, of course, by scientologist, I mean the plural form)”

    Thanks, the pleasure is mine, I am truly enjoying to read your works. In the area of “debates” about Scientology you certainly beat a lot of others.

    – L

  34. “Comment by brendon on April 10, 2010 8:19 pm
    Since you are in an answering mood, when will the Pasadena Ideal Org open, as in, what month and year?”

    Maybe March 2011, but I am not involved in that so I wouldn’t know for sure.

    “And does the fact that the Portland Ideal Org building is being sold so soon after it was purchased trouble you at all?”

    It does not fir the needs of the Church so they are free to sell it. What’s the big deal?

    “And what do you think the COS will do with the proceeds?”

    “The COS” won’t do anything, but the group of people who bought the building is very likely use the funds to buy one that fits the requirements.

    – L

  35. ” Comment by JoeBob the Airplane on April 10, 2010 7:29 pm
    Scientology is not statistically relevant.”

    Cool! I always wanted to live a quiet unobstructed, non-discriminated life, safe from fanatics who – aside from spreading obvious lies – blow up the subject “Scientology” to such proportions that one might think there is a Scientologist behind every bush.

    Does your comment mean that I came a step closer to this dream?

    – L

  36. Oh my, Louanne actually responded to some of my questions! Thank you! I don’t even mind the “asshole” part; I realize your life is in constant tension because of all the outpoints of the COS people keep reminding you of and that you see all around you. Sometimes you need to vent (because we both know any KRs you might do will achieve nothing or, these days, get you sent to Ethics).

    Since you are in an answering mood, when will the Pasadena Ideal Org open, as in, what month and year? And does the fact that the Portland Ideal Org building is being sold so soon after it was purchased trouble you at all? And what do you think the COS will do with the proceeds?

  37. Tell you what, Mr. Pat, we, the critics, have presented multiple resources showing that many people are leaving scientology, directly propoionate to the number of lawsuits, survivors, leaked documents and records, etc. We’ve seen that the number are dropping, overall. You can even see for yourself. I just visited the Australian Department of Statistics website- Scientology doesn’t warrant its own category. You can compare that to Canada, the UK, anywhere- people are using the internet now. They’re researching and finding our the truth (actual records, actual testimonials, not the one-sided information presented here). This is something that Hubbard couldn’t have foreseen, and felt that his stories (such as about the submarine attack, his false phd, etc) would be believed for all time.

    Now, people can see the truth in official documents, and even obtain them themselves using the FOIA (which no one but the scientologists claim that scientology had any part in creating).

    So, perhaps you would like to present a counterpoint. Could you find even ONE non-scientology related resource that shows growth? Any survey? Any census data? Anything, showing that scientology is growing at all, or comes anywhere CLOSE to having “millions” of members?

  38. The numbers have always and always been a problem.

    Look at the trend from the American Religious Identification Survey, a survey that every other religion considers to be accurate for their own numbers:

    1990: 45,000
    2001: 55,000
    2008: 25,000

    Officially, aside from numbers provided by the CoS itself, Scientology is hemmoraging members.

    The latest Pew survey couldn’t even find scientologists, out of the randomly selected respondents. Found plenty of wiccans, pagans, universalists, etc (they were a small percentage, in line with any other survey), but couldn’t find anyone that was willing to admit they were a “scientologist”. With “millions” of scientologists in the US, per Tommy, they would have warranted a mention on the report.

    Maybe you could call it a consipiracy. Maybe they’re just out to get those poor scientologists and hide their numbers. Could be. But that wouldn’t explain the huge range of religions that were included. All in all, 146 different major religions are represented, and had enough members to be statistically relevant.

    Scientology is not statistically relevant.

  39. Specifically, in cotext, the article says:

    “But asked about the church’s membership, Mr. Davis said, “I couldn’t tell you an exact figure, but it’s certainly, it’s most definitely in the millions in the U.S. and millions abroad.”

    He said he did not know how to account for the findings in the American Religious Identification Survey that the number of Scientologists in the United States fell from 55,000 in 2001 to 25,000 in 2008.”

    So Tommy Davis, the SPOKESPERSON for scientology, acknoledged the findings of the survey, and admits that he doesn’t know how to account for them. Do you not trust Tommy?

    Basically, he’s saying- “No, it’s millions. Somehow, every reliable survey is wrong, it’s millions”. Of course, in that number, he’s counting me as a member, as I bought a book some time ago.

  40. It was cited in the NY Times:
    “He said he did not know how to account for the findings in the American Religious Identification Survey that the number of Scientologists in the United States fell from 55,000 in 2001 to 25,000 in 2008. ”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/us/07scientology.html?pagewanted=2

  41. Waiting fir data, pat. Be patient.
    But, your question was a diversion, anyways, from our original point that you gave been unable to demonstrate growth. You conveniently ignore that fact, and attempt a very weak diversion. Why?

  42. To Anon and BigDaddy

    I asked you for cites that Scientology membership is decreasing.

    Where did that data come from? The statements were made here and the link given has no such data, only that Scientology is one of the new religions. It doesn’t bear up as a valid reference.

    Back it up, guys.

    Pat

  43. Here is the contact adress from the site:
    Phone: (860) 297-2381
    Fax: (860) 297-5125
    E-mail: isssc@trincoll.edu

    You can write them an email or phone them and ask for the specifics on Scientology, i guess.
    I haven’t done it myself, because i trust the journalists who have reported these numbers in several articles. But if you don’t trust them go for it.

  44. Pat, you don’t know how to read survey data. Where does the survey claim that Scientology is increasing? It says only that nrm’s are, of which Scientology is an example. Your conclusion is based solely on your desire that it is true. I have requested the source data and will let you know once it arrives.

  45. http://www.americanreligionsurvey-aris.org/
    and ask for the exact data on Scientology, if you don’t believe me

    I did and this is what came up

    “11. New Religious Movements and Other Religions: Scientology, New Age, Eckankar, Spiritualist,
    Unitarian-Universalist, Deist, Wiccan, Pagan, Druid, Indian Religion, Santeria, Rastafarian.”

    Have another cite that has a wide survey of all demographics that supports your comments? What you’ve been saying is that membership is decreasing but the source of the data says it’s increasing. Contrary data.

    Cites, please

    Pat

    Pat

  46. Thanks for your answers.

    “1) The duty of an Ethics Officer (when it comes to parishioners) is to help them with guidance and advise to solve problems in their life that bar them from progressing in Scientology.”

    What problems are there that could bar someone from progressing in Scientology?
    Is it the person himself who decides that he/she can’t progress in Scientology or does he/she get told so by the ethics officer or someone else?

    ” An ethics officer assigning conditions is exerting justice which – by definition – kicks in only if the individual fails to maintain his/her personal ethics and breaks agreed-upon rules.”

    Does justice already kick in if the indivudal fails to maintain his/her personal ethics or only if he/she breaks agreed-upon rules? Are these agreed-upon rules then also considered to be part of ethics?

  47. Question: Who determined this to be true?

    “Sure, there were more than one. But one person who organized it, David Miscavige. I don’t quite get your problem.”

    Who is it that claimed that DM was the one that Hubbard was referring to? Was it Hubbard, or was it someone under DM’s reign. Can you find any claims of this that were written BEFORE DM took over?

  48. Wow, potty mouth, young lady! Are all scientologists as vulgar when faced with criticism, or are you unique in that? And I’d hate to see what things were like before the KR’s corrected your rudeness, Asshole! (Naw, that’s not me- I’m not rude. But I wonder if you like being called such things?)

    All right, to address your ‘unbiased and neutral” points.

    I completely agree with your assessment of the lives that were touched by scientology. Absolutely. Just like you would agree that Billions of lives have been touched by cancer, poverty, rape and violent crime. But that’s not much to brag about, is it?

    The only waffle I see is from scientology. You’re saying that we can’t take the site to be literal, and that it’s required to creatively interpret what they’re saying to see what they mean. That seems like poor communication, but maybe it makes sense to scientologists. And, of course, by scientologists (plural), I mean you (singular).

    I’m curious, do you have any quotes in which Hubbard praised DM for “organizing’ the salvation of scientology? Did he see fit to name the one person that saved the day? For that matter, when exactly did he appoint DM as the leader of scientology? Or did he initially appoint another person?

    Lastly, I’ve never been to Rome, but the DC org was empty when I was in the area about a month ago. But, I suppose we’re each entitled to our own observations.

    In the mean time, it’s great to have you back. You’re a great example of a scientologist. (and, of course, by scientologist, I mean the plural form)

  49. Thank you, anon. I was looking for that, and that’s about what I expected to see. I see that a 1.2% growth is shared among the 12 listed new religious movements, with Wicca being the fastest growing.

  50. They have lumped together all new religious movement. Some of them gained numbers, some of them lost numbers, on average the number of believers in new religious movements (not Scientology ALONE) increased by 1.2 percent. That does not imply that the numbers of Scientologists also increased. In fact if you request the exact breakdown in denomination from the institute which conducted the survey, you will see that the number of self-identified Scientologists according to this survey decreased from 55,000 in 2001 to 25,000 in 2008.
    But they did not include this data in the survey, because the sample size was too small to be statistically reliable for small NRM’s like Scientology.
    You can go here
    http://www.americanreligionsurvey-aris.org/
    and ask for the exact data on Scientology, if you don’t believe me.

  51. Where?

  52. I do. At least YOU acknowledge an increase.

    Pat

  53. Pat, did you even read the actual article? Do you really consider a 1.2 percent increase over 20 YEARS, shared between Wicca, Scientology and Santeria (and all other new religious movements referenced in the article) to be something noteworthy? Your own source proves that Scientology is hardly growing at all, if indeed it is growing! (versus more people self-identifying with it on their surveys)

  54. Las Vegas growth stats 2010

    http://cber.unlv.edu/stats.html

    Foreclosures have been tied to toxic loans and the banking industry failures. How does this indicate growth or not growth of a city?

    Pat

  55. http://altreligion.about.com/b/2009/03/10/aris-study-highlights-growth-of-new-religious-movements.htm

    “ARIS Study Highlights Growth of New Religious Movements
    Tuesday March 10, 2009

    A new survey of the religious beliefs of Americans indicates that while more Americans are claiming to have no religion at all, the numbers of believers in new religious movements such as Santeria, Scientology, and Wicca are on the rise.

    This mirrors what other surveys have been reporting for years: Americans are losing interest in mainstream Christian denominations, but there’s a multitude of places to which they might migrate. Those who do not give up religion altogether (which, let’s be clear, is not synonymous with becoming atheistic) tend to be drawn to faiths that stress personal involvement and experience. Whether it’s being ridden by a loa, speaking in tongues, or channeling the divine, Americans are seeking out religions that keep them involved.”

  56. Speaking of critical thought processes, what do foreclosures have to do with whether a city is expanding or not? Do you have any cites besides anti-scientology web sites that repeat each other?

    These stats tell the tale (2010)
    http://cber.unlv.edu/stats.html

    From:
    http://altreligion.about.com/b/2009/03/10/aris-study-highlights-growth-of-new-religious-movements.htm

    “ARIS Study Highlights Growth of New Religious Movements
    Tuesday March 10, 2009

    A new survey of the religious beliefs of Americans indicates that while more Americans are claiming to have no religion at all, the numbers of believers in new religious movements such as Santeria, Scientology, and Wicca are on the rise.”

    Pat

  57. So I went to the new webpage. Right on the front it says “Fastest-Growing U.S. City Welcomes Church of World’s Fastest-Growing Religion”

    …which is about as factually wrong as it gets on both counts. (They are referring to the opening of the CC in Las Vegas.)

    FACT: in 2009 the Las Vegas area led the country in foreclosures. It no longer is the fastest growing metropolitan area.
    FACT: Scientology membership is shrinking. The ARIS study clearly demonstrated the fall off between 2001-08 for the US, and no credible study demonstrates Scientology membership is over 100,000 worldwide. And that is after 60 years of unprecedented “growth” and “expansion.” Heck, in the US you are outnumbered by Wiccans!

    Questions for Louanne: What has your years in Scientology done to your critical thinking skills that you can’t see how you are repeatedly lied to by your own Church? Have you yet seen, with your own eyes, ONE Ideal Org that is booming (and I don’t mean with for the opening ceremony)?

    • Brendon,

      “Questions for Louanne: What has your years in Scientology done to your critical thinking skills that you can’t see how you are repeatedly lied to by your own Church? Have you yet seen, with your own eyes, ONE Ideal Org that is booming (and I don’t mean with for the opening ceremony)?”

      Asshole. A question mark does not make a question. How about something you actually want to know?

      – L

    • Brendon,

      “Have you yet seen, with your own eyes, ONE Ideal Org that is booming (and I don’t mean with for the opening ceremony)?”

      Washington, DC, and Rome, Italy. Seen, with both eyes (Rome just last week). There is a lot of potential for future growth still, but compared to the earlier time period these two places grew considerably since their opening. In membership and activity, not only in square feet…

      – L

  58. Yeah, and funny thing is that I’m hard pressed to find anywhere where Hubbard specifically acknowledged DM as being the “real scientologist” that saved the group from “hostile hands”. Funny thing is that Hubbard pluralized it, talking about more than one. Somehow, the CoS site interpreted it to mean the singular form. Either that’s revisionist, or they need to try that comms course again!

    Geez, this is one group that really knows how to spin things to make themselves look good. Meanwhile, I wonder if the beatings have slowed down?

    • “2010/04/07 at 7:21pm
      Yeah, and funny thing is that I’m hard pressed to find anywhere where Hubbard specifically acknowledged DM as being the “real scientologist” that saved the group from “hostile hands”. Funny thing is that Hubbard pluralized it, talking about more than one.”

      Sure, there were more than one. But one person who organized it, David Miscavige. I don’t quite get your problem. Critical waffling?

  59. “DAVID MISCAVIGE | A BIOGRAPHY
    L. RON HUBBARD’S TRUSTED FRIEND”
    http://www.scientology.org/david-miscavige/lronhubbards-most-trusted-friend.html

    this section is absolutely hillarious.

    “In 1983, L. Ron Hubbard described a heroic Church executive who cleaned the ranks of rogue staff attempting to seize control of Scientology while Mr. Hubbard was engaged in intensive research and absent from the Church. As Mr. Hubbard himself phrased it:

    “So forgive me for not managing the Church when it almost fell into hostile hands. It all came out all right. Why? Because real Scientologists made sure it did. My faith was justified.”

    That real Scientologist L. Ron Hubbard spoke of was David Miscavige.”

    lol, oh i see what you did there, David.

  60. Oh, thank goodness that Louanne is back to share some scientology truths!

    And, she comes packaged with her own print-worthy quotes: “or spout curse words because some of your lies have once more been disproven”. That’s a little bit like looking for truths about racism by visiting the KKK’s website, isn’t it? But, I suppose that scientology.org must be an unbiased site, or one of her “independent sources, not only Church of Scientology owned sites”.

    Awesome.

    But, I’m always happy to see a new scientology site. Here we learn that scientology has “touched the lives of billions”. That’s right. Billions. Plural. As in 2 or more. So with that claim that at least 2 Billion people are touched by scientology, and there’s only (less than) 7 Billion on Earth, you would expect to find 1 out of every 3.5 people “touched” by scientology. Heck, if you count people that are afraid of, ruined by, or in opposition to it, then you’d still be hard pressed.

    We also learn that the “Volunteer Ministers Program (is) the world’s largest independent relief force, with more than 200,000 volunteers”. I guess the Red Cross doesn’t count, when they’re training 12 Million people in (actually) life-saving methods and volunteer techniques every year and responding to 70,000 disasters worldwide annually. Or maybe the Church groups that are there in every community disaster, or worldwide. Or the Points of Light Institute. Naw, they don’t count.

    There’s more, of course, but 2 glaring lies kind of make Louanne’s first comment ironic, don’t they?

    I notice one thing it’s silent on, is how DM took charge of the organization, and why he felt the need to declare 98% of Hubbard’s personal staff and friends to be Suppressive. That would seem to be a pretty important event in their history.

    • 2010/04/07 at 6:52pm, bigdaddy

      You are so predictable, it’s funny. I think the VMs rock! And why would the Church of Scientology write about Red Cross volunteers on their own Scientology.org website?

      I do agree that “lives touched by Scientology” is vague and probably put that way to be able to say “billions”. But it’s true nevertheless. Anyone who ever read about Scientology is “touched” by it, somewhat. Everyone who enjoys FOIA rights in the US is “touched” by the Church’s legislation campaign in the 60s (that brought about the current version of the law). There are plenty of examples how Scientologist’s actions, L. Ron Hubbard’s writings or Scientology and Dianetics principles made it into society in the last 60 years.

      – L

  61. Ok dear Louanne, let me ask you a question then.
    On the website i read this:

    The Scientology system of ethics is based wholly on reason. Ethics may be defined as the actions an individual takes on himself to ensure his continued survival across the dynamics. It is a personal thing. When one is ethical, it is something he does himself by his own choice.”

    Question: If ethics is a personal thing, then why is there an ethics officer in every org, who tells people in what ethics condition they are? And why are Scientologist supposed to write stasi-like knowledge reports about other Scientologists to the ethics officer, to tell him that someone was out-ethics?

    • 2010/04/07 at 6:18pm
      Ok dear Louanne, let me ask you a question then. On the website i read this:
      ”The Scientology system of ethics is based wholly on reason. Ethics may be defined as the actions an individual takes on himself to ensure his continued survival across the dynamics. It is a personal thing. When one is ethical, it is something he does himself by his own choice.”

      Question: If ethics is a personal thing, then why is there an ethics officer in every org, who tells people in what ethics condition they are? And why are Scientologist supposed to write stasi-like knowledge reports about other Scientologists to the ethics officer, to tell him that someone was out-ethics?”

      1) The duty of an Ethics Officer (when it comes to parishioners) is to help them with guidance and advise to solve problems in their life that bar them from progressing in Scientology. An ethics officer assigning conditions is exerting justice which – by definition – kicks in only if the individual fails to maintain his/her personal ethics and breaks agreed-upon rules. It protects the Scientologist and the group and serves as a warning to stop continuing breaking rules or to leave.

      2) Knowledge Reports: Defined in a policy of L. Ron Hubbard called “Knowledge Reports” that is also printed in the book “Introduction to Scientology Ethics” which you should be able to find in your library. The basic idea is this: “It is a failure of the individual group members to control their fellows that makes a group hard for all to live and work with.” Therefore, it is a responsibility of every group member to kick the other groups member’s ass if he violates the agreements of the group. If that doesn’t work, write a KR and leave it up to the Ethics Off to correct the person. A KR is not secret as every one mentioned has to get a copy. I had KRs written on me for being rude and well, it was true, and I corrected that. It didn’t take an Ethics Off to talk to me, the KR made sense and that was it.

      – L


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