That took a while: Anonymous jailed for 366 days

Just another proof how Anonymous can ruin your life: Per today’s media Anonymous Dmitriy Guzner got jailed for 366 days for attacking Scientology.org. Not only that – once he is out of jail, he has another two years of probation. Not reported, but likely is that he has to pay up to $100,000 in restitution for the damage he and his “friends” (none of which showed up to plead in his case) created back then in January 2008, when Scientology.org was crashed for a couple of hours.

Update: Also in the Star Ledger, 18 November 2009, and there it is: $37,500 in restitution.

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27 Comments

  1. A little housekeeping… closing thread.

  2. it’ms okay, we’ll wait :)

  3. No, getting back on topic would be nice.

    Speaking of which, I’ll be offline now for a bit.

    – L

  4. outstanding, thank you for that.

    I do advocate reform in the church, to include allowance of freezone, but I am certainly not a criminal, and I appreciate that you have noted the distinction.

    … do we… do we hug now?

  5. No, I don’t and if I did in the past my assessment was wrong.

    – L

  6. i’m only me. but if I don’t commt crimes, and don’t visit 4chan and related sites- do you include me in your lump?

  7. ” Comment by bigdaddy on November 18, 2009 4:42 pm
    I don’t visit 4chan. how would that work out?”

    Sorry, but I think you are too many people right now. Take a break.

    The question “What do you like about it?” (4chan.org) was to Anon.

    – L

  8. I don’t visit 4chan. how would that work out?

  9. ” Comment by bigdaddy on November 18, 2009 4:30 pm
    also, if you recall, the politician’s son who hacked into palin’s account (more accurately used her password reset hint… her zip code) had no connection to scientology. how do you connect him to the scientology criticism movement? and if you’re just talking about the allure of staying anonymous, I must remind you that you seem to find the same allure in doing so.”

    It’s a like more than “the allure of staying anonymous”. It’s hanging out at 4chan.org and agreeing with Anonymous morals. Chanology Anonymous are in the same group and have the same mindset.

    – L

  10. “Comment by Anon on November 18, 2009 4:27 pm
    Auvinen had posted a video message on YouTube to announce this shooting and the picture that was posted on 4chan had been copied from the video.”

    Thanks. I take Auvinen off my mental Anonymous members list then. 4chan.org is really a strange place. What do you like about it?

    – L

  11. how do you explain his very light sentence?

    also, if you recall, the politician’s son who hacked into palin’s account (more accurately used her password reset hint… her zip code) had no connection to scientology. how do you connect him to the scientology criticism movement? and if you’re just talking about the allure of staying anonymous, I must remind you that you seem to find the same allure in doing so.

  12. Auvinen had posted a video message on YouTube to announce this shooting and the picture that was posted on 4chan had been copied from the video. [8]
    The archived 4chan thread shows that the message was posted on 11/07/07(Wed)06:56:21.
    The clock of 4chan’s messageboard is adjusted to the timezone UTC-5, which you can check for yourself on 4chan.org. Finland lies in the timezone UTC+2. This means that it was already 13:56:21 o’clock in Finland, when this was posted.
    According to the police report :”The Emergency Response Centre of Itä- and Keski-Uusimaa received the first call on the shooting
    at Jokela High School on 7 November 2007 at 11:34. The call was made by a pupil of the school,..”
    This means, that it had already happened at the time, the posting was made. Several posters in the 4chan thread had actually pointed this out themselves only 3 minutes later and linked to a press release about the shooting.

  13. “Comment by bigdaddy on November 18, 2009 4:13 pm
    didn’t impress the judge? find me a ddos instigator that has received a shorter jail time. there aren’t many.”

    The judge said so. Quote: “This is not just the goofy endeavour of a teenager,” the judge said before handing down the sentence. “I don’t believe this is something that just came upon Mr. Guzner. … I don’t believe a young person gets involved in this act on a lark just because he’s surfing the Internet.”” (Star Ledger, 18 Nov, linked above)

    “remember how excited the scientologists were when sara palin’s email was hacked? turned out to be political, and have nothing to do with scientology.”

    No, but with Anonymous. And that’s just another point I forgot in the parallel thread. Another criminal that sides with the idea of Anonymous. I have yet to find someone who is “Anonymous” member who is NOT an irresponsible or outright criminal person.

    – L

  14. “Comment by Anon on November 18, 2009 4:06 pm”

    Ok, I’ll do a little research in this time zone thing.So Anonymous is an “idea” that obviously attracts irresponsible or outright criminal people. At least it looks like that. And yes, I include those people who get a kick out of harassing and intimidating members of the Church of Scientology.

    – L

  15. didn’t impress the judge? find me a ddos instigator that has received a shorter jail time. there aren’t many.

    but it’s a knee jerk reaction. remember how excited the scientologists were when sara palin’s email was hacked? turned out to be political, and have nothing to do with scientology.

  16. “Assuming you are right, what makes this “label” so attractive that it pulls wanna-be hackers (Mettenbrink, Guzner, X), mass murderers (Auvinen), wanna-be mass murderers (Brahms, Burba, Willis (RIP)) and common criminals, porn industry scouts and just blunt idiots?”

    I don’t know what attracted Guzner to participate in the DDOS against the CoS website. I can only assume.
    What i assume is, that he simply got a kick out of it.
    That doesn`t have so much to do with the “Anonymous” label itself.

    Mettenbrink isn`t official yet.

    Auvinen was a hoax. He didn`t post himself on the chan. It was someone, who pretended to be him and who posted the suicide message AFTER he read about it in the news. This is easily verifiable by comparing the time stamps of the postings and considering that 4chan and finland have different time-zones. So here you blame the Anti-Scientology protesters for something they had nothing to do with.
    The finnish police even confirmed that they had nothing to do with this.
    See
    http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology_falsely_accuses_internet_group_%27Anonymous%27_of_2007_school_shooting

  17. ” Comment by Anon on November 18, 2009 2:27 pm

    You left out something:

    ” He said he did not realize the seriousness of the planned attack at the time.
    “They were saying, ‘Hey, let’s pull a prank,’” Guzner said, about the Internet chatter among the members of Anonymous. ”

    Sounds like a “please-don’t-beat-me-I-am-harmless” pleading. Which did not impress the judge at all. Please understand that I do trust court records more than second-hand newspaper accounts. And per court records “Guzner participated in
    the attack because he considered himself a member of an underground group called “Anonymous.”.

    “But you can`t know, who is actually participating in these “raids”. ”

    Not true:
    – Dmitriy Guzner
    – Brian Mettenbrink
    – some other people who are under investigation, so pssst…

    “It is a label, that people, who do things online, sometimes planned on imageboards known as “chans” give themselves.”

    Assuming you are right, what makes this “label” so attractive that it pulls wanna-be hackers (Mettenbrink, Guzner, X), mass murderers (Auvinen), wanna-be mass murderers (Brahms, Burba, Willis (RIP)) and common criminals, porn industry scouts and just blunt idiots?

    – L

  18. what’s more, it is a self-identification, when not a label applied by others.

    in this case you take his word when he identifies himself as an “anon”, but not when he does not identify himself as such.

    either way, you only have his own word to go on (unless you have some membership data that I am not aware of) and you only consider him to be truthful when he supports your position.

    how is it, then, that you can complain about labels in another recent thread?

  19. “Guzner, a Quinnipiac University student, denies being a member of Anonymous, the group that claimed responsibility for bringing down the church’s Web sites for 24 hours.”

    http://www.nj.com/news/local/index.ssf/2009/11/verona_teen_sentenced_to_a_yea.html

    Anyway. Anonymous is not a group. It is a label, that people, who do things online, sometimes planned on imageboards known as “chans” give themselves.
    But you can`t know, who is actually participating in these “raids”. This doesn`t necessarily have to be always the same people. And therefore it is not a group.

  20. “According to the criminal information filed in United States District Court in Los Angeles, Guzner participated in the attack because he considered himself a member of an underground group called “Anonymous.” “Anonymous” has led protests against the Church of Scientology at various locations across the country, and in January 2008 posted a video on YouTube which announced a new offensive against Scientology.”

    – L

  21. “No he didn`t call himself a member of Anonymous.”

    Listen, you have to stop assuming things and start looking:

    http://casperize.com/assets/snapshots/guzner.pdf

  22. Yik, yik, yik …

    No he didn`t call himself a member of Anonymous. Anonymous has no members, because it is not a group anyway.

  23. “Comment by bigdaddy on November 18, 2009 2:14 pm
    wonder why the courts cut this kid a break?”

    Maybe he talked?

    – L

  24. Yak, yak, yak….

    He calls himself a member of Anonymous (did you see the earlier reporting about it?). And he did participate in a campaign of Anonymous. So certainly he is a Anonymous member. And a confirmed criminal. He obviously chose the wrong friends. You see, I bear no grudge against Dmitriy Guzner. But he certainly had his life messed up by Anonymous.

    – L

  25. what’s really interesring is that, according to the us department of justice, ddos aatacks tend to result in a minimum two year incarceration. wonder why the courts cut this kid a break?

  26. “anonymous”? if you were sincere in your previous question, this is a terrific example as to how you, yourself, label groups, while complaining when others do it to you group.

    also, why do you call him a “member” of anonymous? he denies affiliation with any such group. are you merely trying to discredit a large collection of people?

    sorry this kid only loses a year of his life, I know you had wanted more.


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