Scientology Spiritual Counseling

US Magazine reported yesterday about John Travolta saying that ” Scientology Helping Us ‘Heal’ After Jett’s Death”. Actually, his wife Kelly Preston said something like that, namely: “We partake in spiritual counseling pretty much daily.” (US Magazine, 9 November 2009)

I understand she is talking about auditing, the spiritual counseling of the Church of Scientology. Scientology.org has an article about auditing which I can only recommend. Even better is this video:

The first auditing technique developed by L. Ron Hubbard was Dianetics auditing, covered in his book “Dianetics – the modern science of mental health” (1950). This book is still being sold, on paper, as audio book and as a film, and enables anyone to sit down with a friend and start auditing, right where ever they are, and take control over of those itches and irrational patterns in their live (more – not embeddable – videos about that are here).

– L

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31 Comments

  1. I do agree, with brian, above. and on that note, im out for now.

    pleasure talkng with you, louanne.

  2. “But all gossip aside: I don’t know how they do it.”

    Whatever course they take. I do hope that it is done with more care and tact then I have seen recently from a PR point of view.

    Mr Davis may wear expensive suits, have boyish good looks and a great car. But I really have to wonder at his training level. A complete lack of confront… If my old course room supervisor had seen TR’s like I saw on the last interview the bone-chilling scream of “Flunk” would have been heard halfway around the world!

    Anyway, thanks for maintaining this blog. It’s about damn time someone got online and started challenging all the entheta and outright lies the internet seems to be possessed of! Keep up the good work.

  3. …which you say, predictibly, louanne :)

    with much love :)

  4. “Comment by Brian on November 12, 2009 8:36 pm
    With regard the Auditing. Would it really be considered best practice to have them audit each other?”

    Not normally. Common practice is not to have couples/marriage partners audit each other…

    “Surely a good Auditor is calm, professional and detached. I would have thought the risks associated with restimulating the engrams associated with the tragic death of the boy would make it out-tech or at the very least out-”

    …except in this case both are Clear and above. No engrams.

    But all gossip aside: I don’t know how they do it.

    – L

  5. The numbers are interesting I suppose.

    With regard the Auditing. Would it really be considered best practice to have them audit each other?

    Surely a good Auditor is calm, professional and detached. I would have thought the risks associated with restimulating the engrams associated with the tragic death of the boy would make it out-tech or at the very least out-ethics.

  6. “when posters can get such predictible and extreme emotions out of you, they are at cause.”

    Only from the viewpoint of a troll.

    – L

  7. yes, but it’s sad to see so many posters here at cause over yours.

    when posters can get such predictible and extreme emotions out of you, they are at cause.

  8. It’s great to have emotions, isn’t it?

    I love it.

    – L

  9. oh, lou, you’re adorable.

    look at the affiliations of the posters. you, death and pat are so quick to curse or use vulgarity or insults.

    yeah, I wanna learn to do that, sign me up!

  10. “Submitted on 2009/11/12 at 7:36pm
    I really wasn’t convinced until you accused me of getting paid to post, obviously, the tech has given you superior skills.”

    Actually, I said: “I hope you at least get paid for it.”

    “It” being your incorrect statements.

    Bye.

    – L

  11. “Comment by scientologytruths on November 12, 2009 7:36 pm”

    “Well, I must withdraw my questions.”

    You didn’t have any.

    “In 2005, the California State Library announced a new project that provides every California public library access to WorldCat, and gathers the data from the libraries of all California libraries into a sub-group known as the “California Libraries Catalog”. A federal grant ALLOWS every public library ACCESS to both of these databases ….”

    Allows… access… TO… the database. Hm. Ok. So what’s the value?

    “Comment by scientologytruths on November 12, 2009 7:41 pm
    do you think that the scientologists or the wogs do that more, on this site?”

    Not you. You prefer the sleazy style, insinuations and indirect invalidation.

    I prefer straight talk. And honest questions, not statements or invalidations camouflaged as “questions”.

    Otherwise I have no clue who is posting in the comments of this blog.

    – L

  12. side note: it would be interesting to compare the communication styles of scientologists on this site and the critics, and see who does more of the following:

    vulgarity
    personal insults
    ad hom attacks

    do you think that the scientologists or the wogs do that more, on this site?

  13. Louanne: read moar:

    “In 2005, the California State Library announced a new project that provides every California public library access to WorldCat, and gathers the data from the libraries of all California libraries into a sub-group known as the “California Libraries Catalog”. A federal grant allows every public library access to both of these databases and provides each library the ability to update their holdings with OCLC.”
    http://www.calcat.org/more_information.html

  14. Well, I must withdraw my questions. Your personal insults and vulgarity have convinced me that you’re obviously correct. I really wasn’t convinced until you accused me of getting paid to post, obviously, the tech has given you superior skills.

    I won’t sink to your level, though, because it must feel horrible, so I’ll refer you to my original source. And, your “research” is completely unreadable, but the state of california feels that my numbers are correct. Of course, bear in mind, that I listed the books I was referencing and provided hard numbers. You did neither. Perhaps you could, if you’re able.

    “The bottom line remains: If you want to find out what Scientology is, read a book. You can buy it or get it in a public library.’
    I wouldn’t give the “church” a dime, and I can’t find a library near me that carries the books.

  15. Correction: “Alleged source for the statement: a list of about 1,000 public libraries in CA, on publiclibraries.com, that someone looked through, one by one, to locate books of L. Ron Hubbard.”

    No, he did not look through the list, actually, but used Calcat, i.e. the unofficial CA library search engine that returns results for an undefined amount of “participating libraries”.

    – Louanne

  16. I see the usual happening. An incompetent researcher claims some complete bullshit. Those whose pattern of prejudice fits the unfounded claims jump on the bandwagon and start spreading their venom, trying to sidetrack from the original statement and blab out their usual hate propaganda. Oh well. What a boring game. I hope you at least get paid for it.

    Now, let’s see. The original statement was: “libraries don’t seem to carry scientology books.” Let’s have a look.

    Alleged source for the statement: a list of about 1,000 public libraries in CA, on publiclibraries.com, that someone looked through, one by one, to locate books of L. Ron Hubbard.

    I took the first one on the list of those 1,000+ libraries, San Bernadino County, and here alone found more books (114 different titles in the 34 libraries in that one out of 1000+ library networks;most individual libraries carrying several of them) than the original claim stated would be available in all 1,000+ libraries (14 titles in maximally 71 libraries). Now, I don’t take the time to do more research at this point as the whole claim obviously is utter bullshit. Why bother.

    The bottom line remains: If you want to find out what Scientology is, read a book. You can buy it or get it in a public library.

    – Louanne

  17. you’re right. i’m lookng for the quote, but I recall the phrase “100% done” coming up at one time.

    either way, it seems to be a very small percentage, and far less than the bible, koranand even the satanic bible.

    why would that be?

  18. Kind of makes a mockery of David Miscaivages claims that every library in the US had a copy though, doesn’t it?

  19. see, it reveals a sort of paradox.

    previously, the scientologist would always encourage the asker to buy books- to spend money to get an answer, even when the scientologist claimed to already have the answer.

    regardless, that fact stands- even on this site, “buy a book” was given as an answer.

    however, many have seen this to be unfair as a “religious” answer required a financial outlay. so the answer, in many cases, became “go to your local library”, with frequent claims as to the popularity of the books.

    the point of the piece, it seems to me, is that the books are not popular among libraries, and in most cases, cannot be obtained for free without waiting for a transfer.

    but, what’s more, libraries are not choosing to carry the books. in all cases, more that 1000 public libraries have decided not to dedicate shelf space.

  20. More to the point, what happened to the money for the donated books?

    Is this like what happened with the super power building donations? Syphoned off to other Orgs on the quiet?

  21. it seemed rather complete to me. all your ad hom attacks and insults can’t change hard facts.

    why do so few libraries carry hubbards books? they all carry bibles and korans.

    what happened to all of the donated books?

  22. I know.

    But in the beginning there was stupidity followed by wild guesses and the obvious inability to formulate a question.

    – L

  23. Louanne, I don’t believe that is the point of the piece :)

  24. Or for starters, learn how to search public library catalogs.

    Like this one:

    http://sblib.org/web2/tramp2.exe/do_keyword_search/A03f7ruh.000

  25. Thanks, that is very illuminating.

    And I’m sure you’ll get your book. If not, let me know, I can explain to you the principle of interlibrary loans.

    – L

  26. I have often asked scientologist difficult questions, only to be told “go to your library, read a book!”. In fact, I’ve seen that many times even on this site. I would like to ask some questions on this subject, but would expect to hear the same.

    However, I have been frequently frustrated by one simple fact: libraries don’t seem to carry scientology books. What’s more, when I, or another, points out the fact, we are met with derision and doubt.

    So, I did some research, found out for myself, went to source.

    I started with california, as that is the home state of scientology, so I figured that it would be the most tolerent. I learned from publiclibraries (dot) com, that there are 1,090 public libraries in the state of california. So far, so good.

    Next, I used the california public library catelog search at calcat (dot) org to search for specific titles. The beauty of this site is that it will show you how many libraries carry a particular book, which was perfect for my research. Here’s what I found:

    Out of 1,090 public libraries in california:

    “What is Scientology?” Is carried by 71 libraries, or 6%
    “Fundamentals of thought (1988)” Is carried by 58 libraries, or 5%
    “Clear body, clear mind : the effective purification program” Is carried by 64 libraries, or 6%
    “Scientology : the fundamentals of thought (2007)” Is carried by 17 libraries= 1%
    “Scientology an overview” Is carried by 42 libraries, or 4%
    “An introduction to Scientology” Is carried by 45, or 4%
    “Dianetics : the modern science of mental health” Is carried by 31 libraries, or 3%
    “Introduction to Scientology Ethics” Is carried by 24 libraries, or 2%
    “The way to happiness : a common sense guide to better living” Is carried by 17 libraries, or 1%
    “Scientology : a new slant on life” Is carried by 29 libraries, or 3%
    “Science of survival : prediction of human behavior” Is carried by 21 libraries, or 2%
    “The Scientology handbook” Is carried by 59 libraries, or 5%
    “The creation of human ability : a handbook for Scientologists” Is carried by 21 libraries, or 2%
    “Have you lived before this life?” Is carried by 34 libraries, or 3%

    On the other hand,

    “Bare-faced messiah” is carried by 62 libraries, or 6%
    “A piece of blue sky : Scientology, Dianetics, and L. Ron Hubbard exposed” is carried by 31 libraries, or 3%
    And they’re not sent to them for free :)

    So you can see, saying “go to your library and get XXX book”, can often mean quite a drive.

  27. Louanne, will you be opening up a general comment track any time soon?

  28. excellent point- surely they’re both at the same place on the tone scale, at this time. I wonder if, being celebrities, free auditing is one of their many perks?

  29. Of course that doesn’t count the cost of getting “qualified”.

    Also, I have to ask… Who in their right mind would want a counsellor who is in the same emotional distress counselling you?

  30. Probably nothing at all. I think both Travoltas are trained auditors and can help each other professionally.

    – L

  31. is it known how much this counciling costs the famly?


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