A message to all you doubters…. Today Show on the Scientology Volunteer Ministers

Originally here: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/35214415#35214415

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  1. exactly. so why does the church get credit, when people that (hopefully) are well meaning enough to go regardless find a way to get over there? the only thing that the cos itself adds is touch assists, which even louanne here admits doesn’t do what was once claimed.

    ergo, nice to have spare hands, but the the church itself had, at best, minimal involvement.

  2. “Anon, those 146 VMs that went to Haiti went there because they have learned to help and want to.”

    They are doing grunt work, that anyone could do. They went there because they wanted to help. So did thousands of other people. You don’t need Scientology for that. The CoS didn’t even spend a dime to help their volunteer ministers. They paid it all out of their own pocket.

  3. Pat, did you read the E-mail from Bridge?….lmfao….

  4. BTW- Imin, if you’re still reading this… “Stung” by “Yellow Jackets”?? You guys are too much! lol!!

  5. Louanne, you may have missed I’mIn’s comment:

    Comment by I’mIn on February 3, 2010 10:26 pm

    Like I said- the fact is that I’m over here, now. And I don’t have a vested interest, like you do, I’m not interested in justifying my beliefs or recruiting, or participating in apologetics for such a group. I’m interested in people. I’m interested in seeing them healed.
    And NOT ONCE did I see anyone permanantly healed or assisted by being touched (we started, with a dark humor, calling it “stung”) by yellow jackets. I saw them touching all over folks, and not a single one was permantly helped in any way.
    How would you explain that?

    But I think that he stopped replying when he found out that scientology was asking for donations to send books instead of life-saving items. But perhaps you believe that the books are more important.

  6. From scientologymyths.info:

    Touch Assist: an assist action which reestablishes communication with injured or ill body parts. It brings the person’s attention to the injured or affected body areas. This is done by repetitively touching the ill or injured person’s body and putting him into communication with the injury. His communication with it brings about recovery. The technique is based on the principle that the way to heal anything or remedy anything is to put somebody into communication with it.

    So a touch assist puts somebody in communication with injured or ill body parts. The way to heal ANYTHING or remedy ANYTHING is to put somebody into communication with it. But that logic, using a touch assist to put someone into communication with a malady should heal it, no matter what “it” is.

    But, you’re saying touch assists don’t do that?

  7. “Those waffling assholes “without morals” like the Anons brag they are, well, I haven’t seen any of them there. Anons only survive because of a social system in the 1st World. A system that they did not help build and to which they don’t contribute. They wouldn’t survive a minute in a situation like that.”

    You’re wrong about that. The thing is that Anon’s don’t have to brag about their presence like yellow-jackets do. They just do, and move on. And there’s more there than you think. Because Anons come from all walks of life. Doctors, lawyers, Military (like me and others that I am close to, some of which have volunteered to deploy there, although not he ones that turned the yellow-jackets away at the hospital, those were just fairly high-speed soldiers).

    But you are right, that those that practice free speech and the right to peaceful assembly to flourish most in countries that support such concepts. That idea seems foreign to you. But I mist remind you that anons were very active in Iran, when the people there needed help. The Anons bucked up and taught them how to stay safe and survive. And they brought attention to the atrocities. Tell me, did scientology do ANYTHING for Iran? Why would they be there for Haiti, but ignore Iran?

  8. Louanne says: “I don’t think so. But assists are not meant to heal or cure anything. So don’t try to make it up just be right. ”

    So, then, what DO touch assists do? If they don’t heal or cure anything at all, what real use are they?
    Think about this, if you, specifically, are showing up to Haiti, there’s a trade-off. You cost food, water and shelter. What do you (and all the other yellow-jackets) give in return? If it’s just touching, something that doesn’t “heal or cure anything”, that seems difficult to justify.

  9. Well, Pat, so nice to see you again! You’re always the life of the party here, and certainly a very accurate representation of Scientology!
    You’re probably not familiar with the concept of “no free lunch”. Allow me to illustrate the concept. First, we know that bridge publications is asking all scientologists for a minimum of $500 to ship MORE books to Haiti. That’s very revealing as to the actual number of scientologists, but we’ll deal with that another time.
    Now, if bridge or the CoS were donating the books, that would be one thing. But who’s stuck paying the bill? Once again, the average scientologist. So, even if they’re not being resold, the books are being sold for Haiti. And you would surely agree that that money could be better used elsewhere. Their bellies aren’t full yet, Pat- which do YOU think is more important?
    Surely you’ve seen the previous points regarding the money and lack of accountability in the church, so I won’t bother going over that again.
    Like I said, you seem to be very eager to latch on to this fluff piece… is smells of despiration. But I’m glad you’re getting good press. Hope it helps you.

  10. Volunteer Ministers is a Disaster Relief group. The video is very clear that they were doing just that. Where did this idea come from that we were selling books there? LOL

    Pat

  11. “has there ever been a recorded incident, as in with more than just anecdotal evidence, of anyone being “healed” or “cured” of any otherwise untreatable condition using cos tech?”

    I don’t think so. But assists are not meant to heal or cure anything. So don’t try to make it up just be right.

    – L

  12. Good job volunteer ministers.
    But you wouldn’t need Scientology or the Church of Scientology to do what you do in Haiti, now would you?

    • Anon, those 146 VMs that went to Haiti went there because they have learned to help and want to. Those waffling assholes “without morals” like the Anons brag they are, well, I haven’t seen any of them there. Anons only survive because of a social system in the 1st World. A system that they did not help build and to which they don’t contribute. They wouldn’t survive a minute in a situation like that.

      – L

  13. Amen to that. Look at the red cross website. They still need money. And instead of actually helping, we’re seeing money being raised for freaking books.
    I’m done with this, I’m too sickened.

    • I’mIn, how do you know? Were you there?

      – L

  14. that’s disgusting. I’ve seen that elsewhere, too.

    I guess the haitians have enough food, medicine and clothing, and I guess that their cities must be rebuilt to the extent that money is best spent on books.

    really looks like the private face differs from the public one. duh.

  15. From: “Patrick Howson”
    To:
    Sent: Thursday, January 21
    Subject: Your urgent help is needed for Haiti…

    Hello ,

    As you know just several days ago there was a 7.0 earthquake in Haiti.

    As a direct result of this catastrophe tens of thousands of people have died and an entire nation has gone into total chaos.

    The Church of Scientology has started to ship out dozens of Volunteer Ministers to give aid to the tens of thousands that need it. Similar to the situation when 911 hit the USA, we need to get as much Scientology technology into the hands of the Haitian people.

    As we steadily increase the number of VMs being sent, so must we also increase the amount of Scientology tech into the hands of people.

    Right now we (Bridge Publications Inc.) are requesting that every single Scientologist lend a hand in this. We will be shipping thousands upon thousands of Scientology Handbook booklets and other various basic Scientology tools to the VMs on site. They in turn will distribute these to the public on the ground while hatting them on how to use the tech.

    All donations for fully tax deductible.

    I am asking you for a donation to this cause. The minimum donation being asked is $500. Any one making a donation of $3,000 or more will receive a very special commendation that will go directly into their ethics file.

    To make a donation, call directly to (323) 899-1034, or email me back your information.

    You can also make your $500 donation on-line here:

    http://www.lrh-books.com/new/donation_to_haiti

    Thank you in advance for your support!

    Sincerely,
    Patrick Howson
    Mail Order Manager
    Bridge Publications Inc.
    (323) 899-1034

  16. good point, truth, at least we have finally seen a positive piece, even if its not from a serious news source, of course.

  17. FINALLY and positive piece on Scientology.
    Sadly the today show tries to put a positive spin on many things instead of just reporting the news. Or in this case the truth.
    And it is about recruiting. Anyone that has been part of that group knows that really is the point.

  18. so we have a sort of a tie, then.

    we have a journalist (who appears to have only known that the group is controversial, and what else he was told that day), and the word of one or more scientologists.

    on the other hand, we have neutral third parties that knew nothing of scientology until they was them in “action”, and were left with a very negative view.

    don’t get me wrong, it’s super that these people want to help, and it’s terrific that they sent some stuff, that’s wonderful.

    it would have been a perfect act if it were done without the relentless self-promotion and other issues.

    has there ever been a recorded incident, as in with more than just anecdotal evidence, of anyone being “healed” or “cured” of any otherwise untreatable condition using cos tech?

  19. Like I said- the fact is that I’m over here, now. And I don’t have a vested interest, like you do, I’m not interested in justifying my beliefs or recruiting, or participating in apologetics for such a group. I’m interested in people. I’m interested in seeing them healed.
    And NOT ONCE did I see anyone permanantly healed or assisted by being touched (we started, with a dark humor, calling it “stung”) by yellow jackets. I saw them touching all over folks, and not a single one was permantly helped in any way.
    How would you explain that?

  20. Key words… “No medical training”…
    I did not see anything like what this feel-good piece is presenting, nor have any of my collegues.
    Real nice that they brought some supplies, but I now worry about the hatians.

  21. and now they’re looking to set up shop permanently, dealing with kids and opening orgs.

    how can the average haitian climb the bridge at those prices? or will the cos offer discounts on auditing and the like?

  22. player appears to be down, but first hand account is illuminating.

  23. Here is a first hand account:

    http://gawker.com/5462117/scientologists-in-haiti-a-firsthand-account


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