Scientology speaker – speaks

I am sure that they ran out of time fast. Such a lot of subjects to cover… Additional report in “Mustang Daily” (a student paper?).

February 14, 2009
Categories: Scientology, church of scientology . Tags: , . Author: Louanne

15 Comments

  1. Comment by Louanne on February 15, 2009 4:45 am

    The only reason open discussions with Scientology are so scarce is that people like this jerks from Anonymous are actively preventing it. Every Church has a speaker who could be asked for lectures but this would result in Anonymous lies being revealed as such.

    Get lost, Anon

  2. Comment by Kenny on February 16, 2009 1:12 am

    How is Anonymous preventing open discussion with Scientology?

    What about “attack, never defend”? Scientology was never good at open discussion.

  3. Comment by Kenny on February 16, 2009 2:48 am

    Shakehands between Anons and speaker after the presentation:

  4. Comment by Louanne on February 16, 2009 7:58 pm

    # Comment by Kenny on February 16, 2009 1:12 am
    How is Anonymous preventing open discussion with Scientology?

    Hiding behind masks, slogans, general arrogance and know-best.

    - Louanne

  5. Comment by David on February 16, 2009 11:10 pm

    Its unfortunate that people feel they need to wear masks.

  6. Comment by Louanne on February 17, 2009 2:15 am

    Yes, but not surprising. Not being responsible for ones actions is a keynote of Anonymous.

    - Louanne

  7. Comment by Kenny on February 17, 2009 3:49 am

    “Hiding behind masks, slogans, general arrogance and know-best.”

    That’s not preventing open discussion.

  8. Comment by Kenny on February 19, 2009 3:55 pm

    Here is the full presentation:
    http://www.vimeo.com/3279876

    Thanks to Anonymous for making it available!

  9. Comment by Kenny on February 19, 2009 5:19 pm

    Unlike Tommy Davis he admits that disconnection is a part of Scientology and even that there have been abuses or misapplications of disconnection.
    It’s good that he acknowledges this. But the question would be how common these “misapplications” really are, when even the niece of the “church leader”, David Miscavige, fell victim to such a misapplication.
    Also it seems that those misapplications are more common within the SeaOrg.

  10. Comment by Louanne on February 20, 2009 7:52 pm

    “Submitted on 2009/02/17 at 3:49am
    “Hiding behind masks, slogans, general arrogance and know-best.”
    That’s not preventing open discussion.”

    It certainly does. Talking to someone who does not want to listed is wasted time. But I’ll continue trying.

    - L

  11. Comment by Louanne on February 20, 2009 7:53 pm

    “Submitted on 2009/02/19 at 3:55pm
    Here is the full presentation: http://www.vimeo.com/3279876
    Thanks to Anonymous for making it available!”

    Agreed. It’s never to late to do something good.

  12. Comment by Louanne on February 20, 2009 8:00 pm

    I missed Tommy Davis talking about disconnection. Where was that?

    Kenny, you and I know that “disconnection” is nothing more than breaking up with people you don’t want to talk to anymore. Sometimes they agree, sometimes they don’t. Happens every day. But only when this is somehow “connected” to Scientology there are suddenly “concerns” and no Scientologist has the right to break up with people s/he does not get along with anymore, despite of numerous attempts to heal the connection? This is ridiculous. I wrote a post about this and put it on Scientology myths many months ago:

    http://www.scientologymyths.info/disconnection/

    This right should not denied to anyone.

    - Louanne

  13. Comment by Kenny on February 21, 2009 6:27 am

    Of course everyone has the right to chose the persons around him he wants to stay in communication. This is something, which everyone does naturally anyway and doesn’t need to be reminded of.
    Doesn’t Scientology do more than just reminding people of their right to disconnect?

  14. Comment by Pat on February 22, 2009 2:37 am

    It all comes down to the fact that it’s always been a personal decision. When you object to us as Scientologists from not wanting to communicate to someone anymore you’re trying to deny us a basic human right that everyone has. Kenny, I’d like to see your stats on # of disconnections by Scientologists versus the same by anyone in any other religion (or not religion).

    Pat

  15. Comment by Kenny on February 22, 2009 6:18 am

    It is a personal decision. But as a Scientologist this decision is influenced by Scientology’s teachings, because L. Ron Hubbard describes the circumstances under which in his opinion a disconnection would be to advisable or even mandatory.
    A disconnection would for example be mandatory, when the person has been declared as a SP by the church.


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